Episode 26: ‘What the h*ll does weight loss have to do with a faith journey?’ with Corinne Crabtree

This is Meagan Skidmore, your host of the beyond the shadow of doubt podcast. My goal in creating this podcast is to normalize asking questions, and allowing doubts in their religious or faith journey, as well as other areas of life. My hope is to peel off layers of shame, and shed light on the beauty that comes when growth occurs as we lean into asking questions, and allowing our doubts, welcome to episode 26 with the amazing Corinne Crabtree, Corinne is a master certified life coach with a mission to help every woman lose weight and live the exact life they want. Corinne lost 100 pounds 15 years ago, and ever since she has dedicated her life to teaching women how to do the same. When I first started this podcast, I wouldn’t have instinctively thought of comparing the intersection of a faith journey, and having doubts and asking questions with a help and weight loss journey. However, the similarities proved to be fascinating and did not disappoint. I hope you enjoy listening to this episode. As we answer the question, What the hell does weight loss have to do with a faith journey?

Everybody I am so excited today. I have one of my mentors, one of the greatest coaches I look up to many of us look up to and I’m in your Business Mastermind and love that. I’m so excited to have Corinne Crabtree with me here today. And especially because it’s a it’s an unusual, a kind of a unique overlap of niches for sure. For those of you who know Corinne, she is a weight loss coach. And now business coach, double duty. And as you know, those who have been listening and following along, I work with LGBTQ plus families of a conservative faith background. And my podcast is centers on peeling back the layers of shame that is surrounding asking questions and having doubts in a religious context.

But also it shows up in pretty much all aspects of our life. So I thought it would be really interesting to talk with you current today about that. But before we jump in, please take a minute and introduce yourself to my audience. 

Corinne Crabtree  2:30  

So like she said, I’m Corinne Crabtree, back in 2007, I lost 100 pounds after a whole lifetime of really struggling with my way. I was the kid that had a baby brother who was naturally thin. And by the time I was in the 12th grade, I weighed 210 pounds, he played all the sports, I was the kid at PE that the PE teacher said just sit on the bench I don’t want to make the kids have to pick you. So talk about polar opposites and just just spit literally from that nine years old until early 30s. really struggling with going up and down the scale. I was never thin but I could lose 75 pounds like it was nobody’s business. I knew how to do a dumb diet, a restrictive diet, a barely eat diet, go to the gym and work butt off diet. I knew how to do all of that. But I did not know how to lose emotional weight, emotional eating. I didn’t learn how to lose self judgment. I didn’t learn how to lose that inner critic. And I didn’t know how to develop a relationship with food that I truly wanted to have. I was always like seeking outside of myself a relationship with food that somebody told me I’d have to have in order to lose weight. So in 2007, after I’ve lost 100 pounds, I decided I wanted to help other women because I knew it was very different for me this time that I had not done it like I had in the past. And I wanted other women have the opportunity to not only lose weight, but to really like be proud of themselves, not just to be proud of what they weigh in the proud of their pant size. But to be proud of the person they’d become. Like I had become a cheerleader to myself. I had learned how to not beat myself up on a daily basis. I had learned how to just

really walk through life with a little bit more courage, a little bit more confidence. And I just want it for other people. So started a business and here we are 16 years later going strong aisle 14,000 of us marching around doing the no bs weight loss away. I know so impressive. 

Meagan Skidmore  4:44  

So obviously, you have learned a lot and you’ve been able to pass that on to 1000s upon 1000s of I was about to say women but I don’t think your membership is only consists of of women. It’s the weight loss stuff

Corinne Crabtree  4:59  

It is women or women that have been, like, if you’ve been socialized as a woman with like, we have a very

big passion for anyone who identifies as a woman, the business side is open to everybody, we were going to be a Business Women’s membership originally, and then I really just got to thinking about it. And we had, you know, people reaching out to us who wanted to work with us. And I was like, you know, what, we all struggle in trying to build businesses. And we’re talking about, you know, in the weight loss side, it’s very personal, you know, like, you know, we tend to when we,

when we carry extra weight, there’s so much shame that comes along with it. And we talk about, you know, key relationships, people that aren’t very nice to us about our bodies, all the a lot of my women have had trauma, and that’s why they’ve had issues with their weight. So I just think it’s so personal over there, and they don’t necessarily feel very comfortable. You know, like, if you’re going to be talking about how

you can’t stay in your body, and you’ve now not had sex with your partner for, you know, years. You don’t necessarily want men, you know, listening in on that conversation. Yeah, the business side, we’re just talking about like, bull bull crap. We’re going over there.

Meagan Skidmore  6:31  

So you’ve said a few things I kind of want to circle back to you mentioned, growing up, you had a PE teacher, or a coach, who would tell you to sit on the bench, so that the others wouldn’t have to pick you. That sounds to me like you have been on a long journey of learning to acknowledge that you have some doubt going on. You have lots of questions. Why is this me? And not the other kids?

something you are uncertain of something. So if we experienced this lack of confidence, distrust, you know, disbelief, when it comes to our health, than we are defining ourselves as though this is our state of being, you said something a minute ago that you were always seeking outside of myself? And that just just, you know, meshes really well. For me, when you’re doubting, you are looking for external evidence. My question for you is, how could we it as far as defining ourselves are concerned? You know, the shift in mindset can come from looking at those as separately, you know, a state of being a noun versus taking action, which can be changed a verb, so how is that helpful for people to understand when it comes to shifting their mindset surrounding their health goal? 

Corinne Crabtree  8:30  

Well, I think like one thing, that’s, I guess, not understood or topped near enough about just even in coaching or working on these things is normalizing doubting, like, it’s in our nature. I mean, a lot of it is kind of like a lot of my doubts about myself, like the ability to lose weight and stuff, definitely was kind of thrust upon me from the dot industry or thrust upon me from well, meaning family members, or, you know, people in high school and whatever. But there’s also like, as we get older, and we get caught up in the habit of continuing to doubt it. It’s like we make it a problem. And I try to tell my clients all the time, it is so normal to doubt things. It’s like, there’s the whole idea that we’re doubting, and then there’s me who comes in is like, oh, when there’s something wrong with me, because I don’t believe or there’s something wrong with me because I have these doubts, or I shouldn’t have these or I’ll never be able to lose weight. until like, all of this is cleared up. And that’s just not true. I tell people all the time. It’s very normal. Like when I look like even now that like I have been in maintenance for 16 years. And my brain still on a regular basis. wants to tell me like you better be careful.

You know, we’ve always had a weight problem. It’s like, alright, we had a weight problem. And for 16 years, we’ve not a better truth. But if I sit there, and I think, Oh God, here I go again, how can I ever be a coach, I’m sitting here doubting my maintenance, or this is a big problem, like, I need to figure out how to believe it’s like, I just like to tell myself, look, you’ll probably always have doubts and insecurities come up, that’s really normal. We don’t have to work on all of them, we only have to work on them when they feel useful to you, 

Meagan Skidmore  10:36  

you said something really key you said we make it a problem. And I think that’s not just true and weight loss and health goals. I think it’s true, which I’ve already said that. But it seems to be particularly true in these topics, areas of life that

public scrutiny or evaluation, judgment. You know, so like topics like health, and weight loss, for sure. And body image, I would throw body image in there, you know, religion, you know, like what I addressed in my podcast, things like LGBTQ plus issues, you know, gun control, and those types of things. I’m not going to shift this, you know, in a political direction, but

Corinne Crabtree  12:18  

The younger generation, the young uns today, you also lucky, we didn’t have body body positivity. We didn’t have like all this stuff, y’all. Nobody was telling us that we should feel our feelings.

And part of it is, so our brains just don’t like uncertainty. And it feels like when something is uncertain, our brain is like on a hunt to solve it. And it’s, it would be awesome. If when we’re uncertain about something, if our brain would just naturally come up with a solution that’s positive, and everything, most of the time it can’t find it. Like, especially in weight loss, because I can’t promise anybody, you’ll lose weight. But what I can promise you is, I will teach you everything you need to know, I promise that if you go all in, you’ll never regret ever trying your hardest.

I love setting goals in my business, and I don’t make a lot of them. And I will never snow myself to say I’m 1,000% certain I will Make this financial goal in this year. But what I will tell myself is I’m 1,000% Certain this year, I will give it everything I got. And when I create a certainty like that, my brain can release doubting if I’m going to hit the guy, that so much what if we could look at it that way? From a spiritual journey? I love that so much. Yeah.

That’s true.

We feel like we have to pick or choose. Yeah, I try to tell people all the time. It’s like, like, whatever thinking you’ve got going on, even if it’s not helpful, it’s probably going to feel true. At the end of the day, our our deepest insecurities, our deepest worries, our deepest doubts, they feel true to us. And we don’t want to dismiss that. And you don’t want to be trying to cover it up with some kind of a positive thought or whatever. Because truth will always win out. Like if something literally feels true inside of you, you have to address it. And that so I tell people all the time, that is just because something feels true. It doesn’t make it the only truth available. So what we actually want to do, and this is what I do all the time in my life, I like to hold to truths. So it’s true. Like my clients will say this all the time. But it’s true. I’ve never been able to lose weight. That’s why I’m so scared that this time will be like the last time. It’s like, I know that feels true to you. And yes, it is true that you haven’t lost weight in the past. But here’s an equal truth.

When they resist what they like having faith that they can lose weight when they when they are resistant to this idea that they can allow

these doubts that are coming up that they, they have questions with art, you know, related to how

Meagan Skidmore  23:28  

I agree, that’s so true. We can’t believe the big things, then focus on the littler things. Some of the folks that I work with, are going through a faith transition or a pivot in their faith journey. And that is a really hard thing for them when it comes to their religious beliefs. Right, they think that they cannot, if they cannot believe this, if this is no longer true for them the big stuff,

then none of its true when really, that doesn’t have to be their truth. They can look at the things that they do believe the little or things and build from there, versus just letting it all go. 

Corinne Crabtree  24:12  

Yeah, that’s gonna happen to me and my own religious journey. I mean, I was born and raised Catholic, being Catholic, I’m a lie. I still identify as Catholic but like, I don’t go to church and I had to do a lot and my husband doesn’t he’s not faith at all, like he’s never like, was not born and he was not raised in churches.

And I did that. And it’s been a lot more freeing because I’ve actually gotten closer to God from it. 

Meagan Skidmore  26:13  

It sounds like you kind of shifted from, you know, looking externally to define that relationship. You said, I started listening to me. So you shifted to that internal that inner authority. Yeah. And

I think I can guess what happened to that shame that you felt at the even thought of going elsewhere trying something new? 

Corinne Crabtree  26:40  

Yeah. Once you start looking inward, in a way, it was like, you know, like, I would

There’s not just one. So it was just it was like that whole doable beliefs, figuring out the little things all the way there. I think that that’s just super important. 

Meagan Skidmore  27:12  

Yeah, it is. One thing I love about this podcast is I get to chat with folks from various religious backgrounds. And I honor all spiritual journeys, I think they’re all important. I think God loves all of us. And anytime we we get off track, because of

how we’ve been taught or what’s been passed down to us.

It’s unsettling for many it.

You know, it shatters their world feels like an earthquake under your feet. 

Corinne Crabtree  27:52  

Well, yeah, it’s a huge belief system, a belief system gets disrupted. No matter what that is, like some of my clients, I was coaching someone today, she’s lost all of her weight. And yet, she’s in the biggest crisis of her weight loss ever. Because she’s terrified of letting go of the weight loss side of her. She has always told herself, if I’m trying to lose weight, then I keep my eating in check. We worked on like, that belief system has to go away. If she’s ever going to not feel pressure, like F tos, and like diet, the rest of her life, like she’s already worked on losing her way, she should get to enjoy it. So we like dismantling a belief system around anything is always just skull crushing to Yeah, it is.

Meagan Skidmore  29:57  

There just came a point where the program, and the way I understood it no longer served me. And,

Speaker 1  11:32  

it’s, it’s like we, I tried to get to the heart of that. That’s one of the reasons why I have this podcast, you the first thing you said is just normalizing doubting, you know, I know why, in a religious context, folks really shy away from it. It’s because of the shame and how they’re going to be perceived among their tribe or their people. Right? And so why do you think when it comes to health, and weight loss, something that you know, I know that external societal context clues, messages that gets, you know, sent to us, from the time we were young, especially those of us who are in our generation, exactly.

Speaker 1  12:35  

Yeah, it’s curious to me. Why something as simple as asking a question can bring so much shame.

Speaker 2  17:08  

It’s equally as true that there are lessons from your past, you could apply today. It’s equally as true that what you did in the past doesn’t influence Today’s lunch. If you wanted to stop it enough. It’s, it’s possible that you could do it. And it has nothing to do with how you ate 10 years ago, a lot of times when they hear like these two truths, it’s like, oh, I can I don’t like because I think it’s very I think it’s unfair as coaches to almost take away something that feels really true to someone, like almost like dismissing it. Like, yeah, no, that’s just a thought, like, I would just like the only time I ever tell somebody is like, you know, that’s a thought right is to see where they’re at, at believing their sentences. So I think it’s really important that we understand we can have two things that feel true at the same time. But we want to act from and let the last word be the truth that’s useful. One Truth is just not used. It’s just not useful to sit around and think about all your past failures. It never leads to doing better. But it’s also true, that you can go to your past and find your lessons. And if you’re willing to go find your lessons, it can have a powerful impact on what you do today. Both are true. So we’re always want to pick what is more useful. And let’s use that one. But let them both feel true, because then if you start doing the useful one, eventually, the old one loses steam and energy. Well, and then it starts feeling less true.

Speaker 1  19:03  

And I think that also teaches us what didn’t work, or what has, you know, is no longer working for us. That’s why it’s so important to allow questioning doubts to come up, you know, lean into that fear, lean into that uncertainty. See, faith and doubt is two sides of the same coin, faith being you know, believing in something that you cannot see. But yet is is there is true. You can it can be your truth in relation to losing weight to getting to a healthier goal weight. When you resist that, you know, in your experience, how does that affect a person’s success?

Speaker 1  20:06  

to move forward? Well, one thing

Speaker 2  20:09  

and I don’t know if this happens with your people, but one thing I’ve always used as an example, inside of my, my own weight loss community is a lot of them are very faithful people, they they believe in like God, or they have some something that they really believe in that at the end of the day, they got no stinking proof that’s going to happen, or that it exists. And I’m like, like one of my dearest friends is, she’s a Catholic coach. And like, I always say, like, oh, my gosh, she is like, the ultimate Catholic. Like, she does all the things. She was even a Catholic school teacher, she taught Logan to different grades while he was growing, she was kindergarten and third grade. And I’m like, what, why is it so hard to believe in some? Why is it so hard to believe that you can’t lose weight? But why do you need proof of that. But you know, in your heart, you’re believing 100% in God, he’ll never show his face. He wants us to have faith. Yeah, that’s how it is in my religion. I don’t know. Like, I’m not speaking for all religions. But just from my personal perspective. And I’ve used that as an example very often, it’s like, we like for those of us who believe in a higher power, whatever that is, we had decided to believe in it. Like it was just a decision we made. And we made it over and over again. And we started being we started acting like someone who believes in it. The same can happen in weight loss, you literally, but your future is not built on your past experiences, your future is built on today’s decisions. That’s it. Yeah. So you have to be very conscious of where are you making your decisions today, if you’re making them from a broken past, in a doubtful mind, you’re just gonna keep creating more of that, you’re gonna make it very hard to get to where you want to go. But if today, if you’re just like, here’s what I can believe in today. And I’m a big believer in doing this. If you can’t believe in the big stuff. Believe in the small things. It’s like, I don’t need you to believe you can lose all your weight. So true. Can you believe that today, at dinner, you can eat a little bit less than you did last night. And so me, they were like, why can do that? I said, then, let’s believe in that. Let’s accomplish that. Let’s remind ourselves, I believed ahead of time, I could stop, I did stop. That’s what that’s me becoming someone who can eat a little bit less on their path or losing their way. And then you stack What are just called doable beliefs over and over again. So anytime you have a doubt, I would just suggest people to think about what is your doubt and what is a very micro doable belief that you can get behind to help you navigate this doubtful time. Because we don’t need to believe all of it, we just need a little belief. A little belief goes a long way to extinguishing some doubt.

As you were talking.That’s so true what you say.If we can’t believe the big things,then focus on the littler things.And some of the folks that I work with aregoing through a faith transition or a pivot in theirfaith journey, and that is a really hard thing forthem when it comes to their religious beliefs.S right.They think that if they cannot believe this, ifthis is no longer true for them, the bigstuff, then none of it’s true, when really thatdoesn’t have to be their truth.They can look at the things that theydo, believe the littler things and build fromthere versus just letting it all go.Yeah, that kind of happened tome in my own religious journey.I mean, I was born and raisedCatholic, been Catholic all my life.I still identify as Catholic, but I don’t goto church, and I have to do a lot.And my husband doesn’t.He’s not faith at all.He was not raised in churches.His whole family is like they justdon’t have faith in their life.And it took me a long time ofreally deciding what my working definition and whatmy level of faith was going to be.I’ve gotten a lot of all of my friends,I would say good spiritual counseling on this.I’m not Mormon, but one of my spiritual counselorsis an LDS coach because he’s so compassionate andhe so just asks good questions and stuff.And I just think all of us when it comes tofaith, I mean, this is weight loss or any of it.Don’t be ashamed or scared to justfigure out what you really want.For me, for a long time, I made it meansomething terrible if I was even thinking about going andseeing, like going to different churches or trying on adifferent way to pray and all this other stuff.And then I just decided.So then I spent time not figuringout the relationship with God I wanted.It kept me further from Godbecause I wasn’t doing it right.Then one day I just said, you know what?I just want to define the relationship that I want, andI just want to see what feels right to me.It doesn’t mean I have to do it.It doesn’t mean I have to choose it.I can decide whatever I want after that, but I atleast want to know what my spirit is speaking to me.And I did that, and it’s been a lot morefreeing because I’ve actually gotten closer to God from it.It sounds like you kind of shiftedfrom looking externally to define that relationship.You said I started listening to me, soyou shifted to that internal, that inner authority.Yeah, and I think I can guess what happenedto that shame that you felt at the eventhought of going elsewhere or trying something new.Once you start looking inward.I would sometimes feel incongruent, like I went from shameto doubting all the things to feeling a little incongruentwith what I’d been taught to being open to.There’s a lot of paths to God.There’s not just one.So it was like that whole doable beliefs, figuringout the little things all the way there.I think that that’s just super important.Yeah, it is.One thing I love about this podcast isI get to chat with folks from variousreligious backgrounds, and I honor all spiritual journeys.I think they are all important.I think God loves all of us, and anytime weget off track because of how we’ve been taught orwhat’s been passed down to us, it’s unsettling.And for many, it shatters their world.Feels like an earthquake under your feet.Well, yeah, it’s a huge belief system.Anytime a belief system gets disrupted, no matterwhat, that is like some of my clients.I was coaching someone today.She’s lost all of her weight, and yet she’s in thebiggest crisis of her weight loss ever because she’s terrified ofletting go of the weight loss side of her.She has always told herself, if I’m trying to loseweight, then I keep my eating in check today.We worked on that.Belief system has to go away if she’sever going to not feel pressure and have to and diet the rest of her life.She’s already worked on losing her weight.She should get to enjoy it. Dismantling a belief system around anything is always just skull crushing to you.

Yeah, it is. Wow, that’s fascinating that she’s experiencing that in a way in her kind of her weight loss belief system. We could call it her program. So I’m kind of going out on a limb here, but I’m going to guess a lot of folks who are going through a faith journey go to food to eat our feelings, eat their feelings, like we say, right? I have, and I take steps everyday to try to reverse that. I love seeing there are similarities in these journeys, in the belief systems that get passed down to us. And for me, the most powerful thing has been to grant myself you can give yourself permission to move forward from a place of integrity inside your heart, right? 

Yeah.

For a long time, kind of just this is long before I met you, I did Weight Watchers, and that was the way to do it. But there just got a point where I just wasn’t as good at it anymore.It was just harder to f Follow it. And it’s good to be able to loosen up and decide, okay, that worked for a while. That doesn’t mean it’s bad.It doesn’t mean it won’t work for others. But I’ve evolved. I’ve changed. I see things differently now. I’m a different person than I was 10-20 years ago. And all of that is okay. None of it has to be a problem, right? I can focus on where I’m at right now and go from there.And if I’m uncertain, just allow that we don’t know. Always we don’t. 

And one of the things about I think a lot of women, especially in our age range, I always say Weight Watchers is practically a rite of passage for every woman at this point.I’m always shocked and stunned.I literally had somebody on a call today.She said, I’m one of those people that you always talk about your unicorn. She was like, Girl, I never did Weight Watchers. You could just see the chat blow up.Like, what? How did you escape? But I think when you get to a certain age, especially when it comes to weight loss, like when we’re younger, it’s so much about fitting in and all this other stuff, and then as we get a little bit older, our minds expand more about what we truly want in our life. Especially once you start getting like, I know for me, I’ll be 50 next year. And as I’m coming up on 50, I’mr eally figuring out what BS in the world. I just don’t want to keep working on this.I don’t want to be thinking about this anymore.Life is too short for this to be my main problem.And that’s going to take really understanding.Then what is it that you do want?What is that like in weight loss?It’s like nobody ever asks us before we try to lose weight.They always ask us, what do you want to weigh?And that’s like, the big thing.And I always teach my people, I don’t want to know what you want to weigh as much as I want to know, what life do you want at the end? What are we creating here? Who do you want to be? How do you think? How do you handle your bad days? How do you talk to yourself? What relationship do you want with food? What relationship do you want with your body? We need to know the total picture. The number really just gives us a guidepost to know are our behaviors on track this week or not? Literally, the numbers are just to have mile markers to get you to see, to reflect on your habits, to see what’s working and what’s not. It’s an evaluation process and data at best.  that’s all it is.

But what we really need, we need like a road map that gives us the clear picture of our destination. Because if you don’t, I have lost way too many times in my life where at the end, I’d still didn’t like myself are still scared of food. I weighed constantly trying to make sure I was in check. And I lived in anxiety. No one has ever told me, I would love to lose 50 pounds. And when we end I’d like to be terrified of food. I’d like to worry every time I go on vacation that I’m going to regain weight. And I would also love it if I would just beat myself down every day to stay in line. So if you don’t want to be that person, we have to know who you actually want to be. So that we can start practicing being that person a little bit at a time, every single day on the way so that when you get there, you’ve changed inside and out. 

Right? It’s a skill when that we didn’t realize that we really weren’t taught to define ourselves. So you have a tool that I love, and it’s called the four end. And I think it’s really powerful, especially for those of us that are have been prescribed a certain way of living being thinking doing. You know, what would it look like to apply the principles of the four ends, to those that are navigating doubts and asking questions. You know, including self doubt, or trying to figure out who you know how to define me?

Yeah, so the first in which is the most important one in my book is you got to notice the doubts and where they’re coming from. So we have to note like, you know, self doubt out any doubt, insecurity, fear, whatever is always coming from something that we’re thinking about, you know, like it could be wanting to transition to religions wanting to change your relationship with God, your change your relationship with yourself, whatever it is. So you got to notice first because if you don’t know what it is that you’re thinking, it’s, you just can’t change the external stuff. If the internal is still raging with crap. So we notice first and then the second step is normalize. And I think that this is where so many people get relief, because listening to your thoughts, almost always brings in the critic who will say like, oh, my gosh, you think that you must be crazy, right? Think that you’ll never change like this critic comes like coming in like a Judge Judy. And we’ll use the normalized step, to help the inner critic settle down. We want to always think about whatever it is that thoughts that we uncover. How did this get started? Why would it be normal for me to think that we’re using normalizing as a way to explain in a useful way, the origins, the roots, the reasons why we might think these things so that we’re not being hard on ourselves, because if you’re hard on your thinking, then you will stop listening to your thinking, and the moment you stop listening to your thinking, you’ve cut off been able to change anything in your life.

True very true

The third in is once we are like, Oh, I get some relief. This is normal, because I move into neutralizing, okay, neutralizing is like, all right. At the end of the day, I see this thought and everything that’s normal. But this is all that’s really happening. This is where we take a big deep breath, we blow it out. And we just get factual. The only thing that’s happening is like, for instance, but it takes me, the only thing that’s happening is I’m Catholic. I’m considering other options. That’s it, the rest of it is all the stories. So this is where we give ourselves. Yeah. And then from a clean space, we go to the last one, which is the next best thought and action, which is all right, this feels really true. And I’ve now understand why I think it but this is all that’s happening. So what is the next best thought I could think what is it we were talking about earlier? What’s equally as true? That I could also think about this. So I can hold two things at once. And if I’m gonna like if this is equally as true, what wouldn’t my next step be? Because when we take the next step, we don’t want to take it from our old thinking. We want to take it from that new useful thinking yes, beforehand.

You know, and the thought occurred to me as you were talking, I think this would be so helpful. Also, when observing the faith journey of your loved ones and your family members, right, not just your own. But there are a lot of parents that I work with who are going through a lot of this kind to deal with the choices of their children to take a different path and what they tried to pass on. And those four steps would be super helpful. Thank you for sharing those. One last question. Before we wrap up. What does living beyond the shadow of doubt mean? To you?

Say to me, it means knowing that doubt is normal, but doing things anyway. I’m a real I’m really good at one of my coaches actually has a phrase that we all use, and she says, I doubt it, but I do it anyway. And she says, Oh neat and clear. It’s Coach Betsy, she’s calling that but she basically it’s like you make a list of the things that you do doubt. And that you’re not doing simply because you doubt it’s like, if I think about it, I know if I just you know, do this life would be better, but My doubt is literally holding me hostage is paralyzing me. So she makes a list of those things. And when it comes time to do it, she’s like, I strap on my big girl panties. I take a big deep breath. I know that laughs like I’ve told myself 1000 times in my journal life will be better if I just do these things I tell myself, I doubt it but I do it anyway. And she said I wanted to become the kind of person that was her new identity. And I think it’s beautiful because I don’t imagine ever, ever until I draw my last breath. I’m going to doubt things in my life. So

true. I think that’s where the growth comes when we allow it. And I think that’s how we uplevel we become our next best self. If we don’t, then we’re just, we’re halting our own progress. That’s so good. I’m going to remember that always. Awesome. Thanks to you and to coat Betsy. So just for funsies just a few quick questions that are one word answers. Do you have a favorite book?

My favorite book? Yes. The last word on power

Okay, awesome. Are you an introvert or an extrovert? I think I know.

extrovert. Self. extrovert introvert? I know. Yeah, like it that’s like sometimes I need to be by myself.

Okay, are you a night owl or a morning Lark?

Oh, Lord morning. No, not at all. And me.

The older I get the less Yeah, less shooting. I do as well. Your favorite artist?

Oh, gosh. You know if I have one, like, whoever did my Dolly Parton picture.

I was noticing that. That is amazing. It’s so beautiful. Okay. Celebrity crush.

Oh, gosh, I have so many Shemar Moore.

Okay. Do you drink still or carbonated water? I used to say Coke or Pepsi, but it was totally dating me and my generation and they’re like, No, I don’t drink soda.

I’m a still water girl.

You’re still water. And the first for this place you’ve traveled?

I guess Canada? Yeah, Canada. Well, I don’t know. Maybe California. I haven’t traveled many places. Like everybody’s like, Oh my gosh, Korean. She’s like so not adventurous. So as far as probably California if I had to guess

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Thanks so much Corinne!