Episode 184: My Love Story of Coming Back to Myself with Dre Ybarra

Welcome everyone to living beyond the shadow of doubt.

I am really excited to chat with my guest today

and get to know her a little bit better.

This interview is part of my month-long episode drop spotlighting

interviewing, getting to know the individuals connected to Joan of Arc Publishing and the Mosaic community.

And today I have Dre with me. I believe that’s short for Andrea.

Yes, yes, it is.

So clever. I’ve always always loved that.

But welcome, and thank you for joining me.

Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Yes, my name is Andrea Andrea Ibarra. I shortened it to Dre. That’s been a nickname for me since I’ve been growing up. But also

when I started getting into more online spaces, I know that there’s a lot of Andreas, or just other ways of saying the way my name is spelled, and so I just kind of shortened it, and

let that be my name. It’s also kind of more comfortable for me, too, you know, when I’m Andrea, it’s like I was, you know, in corporate, or like Andrea, like I’m in trouble with my mom, kind of thing. So yeah, it’s just Dre and we can be, you know. Nickname is totally fine. I also go by the soul tender. Which is a play off of my hospitality background. I was hospitality for a long time.

Mostly in food and beverage, tending and creating too many things that enhance and elevate the human experience.

And now I get to do that through breathwork. So that’s where I’m more of a tender for the soul these days.

Oh, I love that! I did not realize you were in hospitality.

Yes, like.

In a past life, that’s for sure, for sure.

Yeah, I’ve always loved just my family was really good. My parents, for sure, were big at hosting things, sports, events, like watching the game together, or just having people over to play music. My dad was a

musician, and he really had a love for bringing that to life, and we had this, the vibes for real in the back. So that was really fun.

I slowly

not even slowly. Just kind of used to putting decorations and stuff together. And it just led me to that path, someone told me like, do you know that there’s a you can go to school for that, or you can. You know hospitality like, what is that, you know? But it was just like party planning type things or whatever. But yeah, it was really really, really great for me. I did attempt to go to college for that

but the GE kind of got me a little just

overwhelmed and kind of like. I’m not doing the thing, though, so I’m not, you know I’m not doing anything ended up just being a server, and

I’m a bartender and started my career kind of that way, just popping in and out different places. I did a crash course in bartending when I 1st turned 21 like probably a month after my birthday. So just give me the the certification, so I could be in the mix. But you know, if you’re only just 21, how could you be? How could you have so much experience kind of thing. So that was really helpful. I learned a a lot there in a real short week, but

and it helped me ever since.

Awesome. So you’ve mentioned your family a little bit how they

hosting, inviting people over,

creating spaces for folks to feel welcome and invited, and community has been a part of your life.

I’d love to hear a little bit more about your family, and especially like, do you? Do you have a faith of origin, and how, or in what way, was that a part of you know your

Absolutely. I was super excited when I seen your outline of your questions. Here. I was like, Oh, this is gonna be fun! Because I haven’t really had to been able to speak about this, so I’m excited for this conversation.

I’m an oldest of 3 girls

from the Bay area raised in Oakland, California.

We went to Catholic school. I went to Catholic school from kindergarten to 8th grade.

We ended up moving after I graduated, so my sisters didn’t finish in that school. They went to public school after, and I went to public high school.

After that my parents had separated.

That was kind of like the break.

we split. But yeah. Catholic school growing up. It’s very small, intimate people, and you

grow with them for every year. I mean, you’re in the same class with the same people for

8 years. So they’re like my lifelong friends. I haven’t talked to them in a long time, but, thanks to social media, you know, we have

we’re able to see what is happening on people’s lives, and I mean, whenever we do talk, it’s like, pick up every left off. So I’m very, very grateful and thankful for that, and that, I think, goes back to our community as well. Just

you know, we’re all families just in the mix. And you see, people, you know

when the carpooling comes, and you know what car is pulling up. It’s very rare when you know whose car it is, but that’s how we grew up where you’re just like oh, so and so is leaving like your dad’s here, you know, whatever. So I was very, very thankful for that.

Church was a different kind of

thing where my mom she didn’t go to Catholic school, but my dad did go to Catholic school, and he was an altar server and all the things. And so he was very like

I already did my time. So I’m not going to church with you guys on Sundays like, hey? We’re going to church on Sundays. Kind of thing. So that was funny, and I was like, well, I mean, I go to school. But, hey, all right. We’ll be the same school on Sunday is fine.

You know. That was you know I’ve I’m a Mexican.

you know Latin descent. People ask me like, what part of Mexico are you from? And I’m actually 3 generations from Oakland, California. So my ancestry, too, it goes, you know, in more of like Mexico City or high school. But yeah, we’re we’re definitely Bay area, more Oakland people. So that’s where we’re raised in our community like that.

I did have a little bit of. I think

it just seemed like it was so hard, or like a lot of

questions. And my dad’s dad, my other grandpa. He went to Catholic school, too, and he would tell us that he would ask the principal these crazy questions, and then he would just send them to the principal’s office like he’d just be out of class because he was disruptive or asking too many questions.

and I thought that was interesting. Because I’m like, I’ve got to question things that I’m not gonna ask. I mean, when I was reading, you know. But I was not gonna ask that. They’re just

learning are supposed to do.

But I always thought that that was interesting of him, and then he

got into with the principal like in his senior year. He didn’t have any time, much time with maybe like 2 months. And he was already in this relationship of like, I’m gonna question, and you’re gonna say no or whatever.

And he just didn’t graduate. He’s like, Okay, well, I’m just over this this.

you know, kind of scuffle, or what have you? And we didn’t graduate from there, and I just thought that was very interesting. And even now, reflecting, I’m like man that was just really like a no go kind of thing.

That was my grandpa. Yeah, on my dad’s side. Okay?

And I think that there’s a lot of

I feel like my belief system was just more of like being the good girl and be a good girl. You do what you’re told.

you know. Don’t stand out too much or

or start stuff. You know it was God’s always watching. You gotta be in that good thing.

But there was also a part of me that was just like, but I thought, like God already made me this way. So why

why do I still have to like

be in the lines, or whatever so.

There was just kind of maybe, like little hints of things. But I was just, you know, in my in my lane, doing my school things what your parents tell you to do

so fast forward to. I got my

my certification in bartending, and then I

went into hospitality, and that was my kind of jump into the into the mix of

of the madness. But it was fun. Oh, I really enjoy food and beverage,

you know, new dishes every day like new people all the time you create the experience and the environment. I I really enjoyed it.

And then I kind of went from from food and beverage to hotels and hospitality. It was with Hilton properties for a long time. Kind of bouncing around throughout the Bay area learned a lot and a lot of great people.

And there was something about

being a server or being in the food and beverage was more like fast paced for me, but also kind of like not

sitting down or having to just be the same all the time.

But my managers had peaked this interest of me moving to events and being into like the office space.

I didn’t really want to do it, but it was like the thing to do, so that you can. You know better your

resume to get somewhere, or what have you? But

I don’t know. For some reason for me. It was just like, like, I really don’t want to do this, but doing really great here, you know, I’m like everything is running. I’ve been hospitality now, for like that was about 6 years. So I was at the restaurant for 3

so I went to events, and I became an admin, did a whole different learning thing about the back ends of you know how you bring these events to life and things like that.

So I was bouncing around from back and forth. I would do that from 9 to 5, and then I would still work like a night job for other restaurant.

pretty much all week, like 2 jobs a week

or 2 jobs a day every week.

but it was fun. I mean, it was

you’re just always moving. I was always, always going, and I love to travel and have my own experiences. So it allowed me to

do those things with my sisters and create some fun things for us to do.

And then in 2020, I

had a panic attack at the front desk.

My hotel was still open. We were having pilots that were flying in and out because they weren’t

they were still active, so we had to be open to house them or have somewhere for them to go.

I was very new to the front desk of all my roles that I played.

I had not gone there yet, and I was just like, Okay, well, let’s add something more to the resume, because, you know, building this big thing. So I did that. And the week that I started at the front desk

on Monday, the Friday

my whole sales team was laid off, and that the whole you know, filter in placing so like it was just scarce. And then it was just me in this job that I didn’t know. And I was like, Oh, man.

What did I just do? So that was you know we had a one of the the hotels that I worked at. That one had the biggest space in Silicon Valley for event space at the time, and so it was always busy. There was 505 rooms there, and they were sold out every night Monday through Thursday.

and then it went to nothing, and it was just like.

Oh, I ain’t.

Such an unusual time. I think a lot of folks

found that period of time to be a cocoon of sorts, a chrysalis of transformation, a lot of evolution, a lot of

looking at things in life. And

you know, really deciding what was most important or

just. I think a lot of shifts for me. That was a time when

I was experiencing a lot in

of shifts. In my faith journey, I call it. I called it a pivot in my faith journey in the beginning, and that’s evolved to a spiritual awakening. At this point.

You a question you talked about. You had questions growing up in the Catholic school that you went to.

but, unlike your grandfather to ask them was just not something that you wanted to do, and I’m

I’m curious, you know. You’re obviously you have established yourself. You have found

your strengths, you have found things that you’re drawn to, that. You enjoy that you like

That’s kind of new to me, so I guess.

Still kind of new

Can you? Can you remember? When did you begin to allow questions, or to examine them? Or or maybe

that’s not quite happened for you. I’d love for you to speak to that process like

what part of that have you brought into adulthood, or have you not brought into adulthood? If that makes.

Right? Yes. So where I was going with that was that I had a panic attack during my shift, and I was not one before that I was not one to cry in public, or even just cry. In general, I thought that was very

like. No, I’m not trying to look

weak. Quote unquote weak, which is

very not, but I was very trained and conditioned in that way, and so I would not. But

the panic attack I couldn’t function, and I just started crying. And so I went, and there was like a line of people waiting to be checked in. And I’m the only one. There I was just

it felt like the ceiling was crashing in, and that, like the floor, was dissolving, and I was just like a mess.

I woke up the next day, and I was just sad, and I

like I couldn’t even look at my sister in the face because I just wanted to cry. And I was like, what is wrong with me like I just this is so not

you know. That’s not what I do, and I couldn’t pretend to to fake it like even to save my job or anything. So I had to Facetime my HR manager and like

just cry on the phone, basically, until, like, I can’t go. I don’t know what’s wrong with me, but

like I just can’t stop crying. And I just can’t like, can’t even smile. So even you know anything. And so

that was the beginning of my healing journey that I didn’t know I needed.

And to your point of of awakening,

I had not really, though, I went to Catholic school. I didn’t really have a relationship with that, I would say, like where we like talk, or where it was more of like

it felt more of like a

boss, or like some kind of like authoritative figure where it’s like, am I doing okay, or like, you know, am I still gonna go to heaven because I, you know, did this or

this and that?

So when this happened, and then I physically can’t go to work, because, like my face is broken, I can’t even smile like you have to. Obviously, hospitality is a very interactive role.

So it really had me to look at everything about myself about this.

Yeah, it’s like, really stripped everything away. And that’s when I found TikTok. I hadn’t had a TikTok account yet, and my cousin was going to be on. He started posting on TikTok, and she was like, “Gonna follow me,” and I didn’t even have one. I was like, I’ll make one so I could follow you.

And that kind of opened me up to all these people that were

like just sharing verses from the Bible, and like they just knew them already, and I’m like man. They know these verses, and I went to Catholic school and I didn’t get — we did not practice that. I could not at that time I couldn’t tell you one.

If you asked me.

And so it just kind of shifted me into more of a okay. Well, I know God’s real. I know that I don’t know what the heck is happening now, or where I’m gonna go, or

how am I gonna get back to work, or you know what? But

it’s kind of like I didn’t have anything else to go on, and so I was like, well.

I have a Bible like. Let me open it up kind of thing. And so that’s how I kind of started

with

kind of building my own relationship. But it’s like, All right. God! Well, I literally can’t go to work.

The world’s closed. Basically, I mean.

I’ve had a lot of issues with this myself and my

the worth or love, or all of those things I had not given to myself ever, and

so that just became a time of like

all the back orders of self-love and and nurturing and

you know myself time. That’s where that came from. So with God in that way I was — there was a church that I could walk to where I lived before.

So I started doing all the mental health things, going to walk like your mental health walk, nature walk. I would read a prayer from the Salette. I’d walk to the church so I could just sit there and pray after, and then go back home.

Oh, like tech therapy. I was doing it all.

And so it kind of gave me a space. I’m like, Wow! I have failings so I could be taken care of, you know, that was different. I’m like this is really new and

but I felt better about it, even though I was

really just trying to get a quick fix to go back to work. But then it ended up being that I couldn’t even go back there because I was just more of my giving and pushing and

you know, depleting myself instead of putting it back. And so I think that’s where the physically is like. No, girl, you can’t go.

You’re gonna stay here, and you’re gonna you know. Listen or not even listen. But just be.

Very hard. I was definitely a human doing for a very, very—

Instead of a human being. I caught that. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

Okay.

I don’t think you’re alone in that, Dre. I think

our bodies. That’s that’s how our bodies tell us I’m at my Max, and I cannot

function. I’m out of gas, right? I’m out of fuel. Whatever.

And I’m learning so much about

how important those messages are. I mean, I have been. I continue to. I don’t believe there’s ever any point of arrival right? It’s an ongoing—

Yeah, and that part, too. Just to get to leaving that part to say that is like huge

it’s like, wait well, where is it at? Am I better now? Am I? Yeah, like no

when they wanted they wanted to give me—yeah.

No, I yeah, I hear you. I think there’s—you kind of reach a certain point, and you’ve peeled off a lot of layers. You are. Maybe you’ve emerged from that chrysalis. And then you find, okay, there’s another chrysalis ahead.

We’re gonna transform some more.

I would love to hear. I hear that you started to reignite this faith, you started with the foundation you had been given, right, and looking into it more for yourself.

Giving more time for, and space for your emotional health, and your mental health and spiritual health, too. I believe it’s all connected, for sure.

To our physical health, too.

Can you think of and share with us some times or moments where you just were able to experience

joy, knowing that you were choosing a path

that was meant for you, that you

were being intentional about this, and

nobody knows everything. Some people will tell you that they do. But you just—you felt like you were

maybe claiming your spiritual autonomy or your

self-differentiation, your sovereignty over your being, and

feeling confident in that, feeling joyful and maybe even blissful, as you’re

awakening that spirituality inside of you.

I love that. And it’s, it’s funny how this—well it’s all woven in together. But what actually shifted that was when

So I was doing this for like 6 months with the like therapy and really fitting stuff into myself, and

going to church, reading the Bible. All of those things like, okay God, like not going back to hospitality. I’ll just, you know, I had like a merchandising job. So I was trying to find that like work-life balance. So I would go to—

after work I would go walk, and then listen to like either gospel music or

some kind of podcast in that way.

And then, in 2021, 3 weeks after I turned 30,

3 days after my sister turned 26, our youngest sister passed away, and—

I’m sorry.

No, it’s okay.

That’s okay. That’s all right. That’s part of my—

my story, my love story of

coming back to myself. Really.

So yes, I had all that like kind of “okay, this may be a path, and alright.” But then, when

that happened, I was—

I told God I was like, “You got me messed up.” Like, I don’t know about this. Like maybe we were just doing like—we were just

you know, being us. And that was shattering.

Shattering everything of—you know what like my life, my thought life was, what

all of it. So that was more of my

awakening, I would say, or the invitation to be awake—be awake and

not go back to sleep.

So that healing journey before—I can say now that that was

that was for me, so that I would not like be completely put out by this, by my sister—losing my sister like that. So that was able for me to get back to me. So since then, since this has—

it’s been just in a more curiosity and like receptive way. Yeah, my saying—where, yeah, it might be

like taboo, or maybe the church says no or whatever. But I was just like, it’s just different. And so I just kind of

gave myself my own rule, like we had our own healing. And we, you know, did all that stuff, too. But

even though my mom—like she goes, like I’ve said, I’ve remixed my religion, and however works for me and my peace, I think that’s for everybody else, too. And

I had like this this knowing of—

because I had went through all that with that already, I was just like there’s gotta be something. Like you’re not giving me this pain to like not do something with it. And I know everybody is like just telling me to like

be strong and keep busy. But I don’t even know how to do that anymore, because I can’t even go back to work if I wanted to right now. Like so—

Yeah.

Yeah, there was this deep trust of

“There’s something. I don’t know what. There’s something.”

And then there was also something like—

because COVID had happened too, and I mean I had—I’ve experienced death and families before in my own family, but not that immediate and close.

But having COVID just happened, and all of these people, you know, had passed away. But then all these people were carrying that, and I just felt that

if death was such a part of life

like there has to be something that helps.

There’s gotta be something that helps with just this weight and heaviness. And so a quest for something to help eventually led me to breathwork, and that’s the gift I get to give now.

Breathwork.

So I am curious then—

you are a member of the JOA community. You are in the process of writing your book. So

you don’t need to give anything away.

Talk to us a little bit about—

Is this kind of part of your story that you’re writing, or like what led you to Kira and the JOA Collective and the Mosaic Network?

This is gonna be fun.

Good. We like fun. Tell us.

It’s not for education.

So about a week—there was a time I was talking to one of my great friends. We did breathwork together.

It was kind of like coming up with a course or something like, “What have you overcome?” and this and that. And I hadn’t really like wrote it down. So I just took a day at the coffee shop and wrote down kind of

where I was, what I did, how I—you know what I am doing now, or how how every shift, you know, even the ebbs, the ebbs, and the lows like they’re just as significant as the highs and lows because they bring you to those places. And

I remember texting her. And I was like, “I feel like I just wrote the outline of my first book.”

Because that’s just kind of how it sounds like. When I was reading it. They could be chapters, and I could put the story in a chapter.

So I was like, alright, well, hey, that’s

well, that’s something that we could create.

And the next week my phone had like this text message that says I missed, or that

I had a class coming up for a webinar.

And you know, to get ready for it, or whatever. And I was like, I don’t remember signing on to that, and I was busy that day anyway, so I didn’t—I didn’t get to go live. But in the night, like in the evening, there was a message that came, and it’s like, “Oh, in case you missed it, you know, here it is.”

And it was something in the wording, or maybe because I didn’t know who this person was.

It was for—it was called Unleashed at the time.

And it was—and it was for Kira. I did not have any emails in my inboxes. I had never followed a Kira person, so I was like very confused, and I didn’t even know where she came from. But

alright, well, let me—and it was probably like 12 o’clock at night. I’m gonna see, you know, what is—what is she got? And like, well, as you know, she is this passion igniter. I’m like holy—who is this person? And my God, what time is the call tomorrow? Because I want to be on it live.

And then, you know, I go on there and then—it’s like she takes people on adventures to write their books in 5 days. I’m like, Oh my gosh, like yes. Like I was just thinking about that. But how cool that someone does that! Like, I mean, to travel and do that.

So I attended the last couple of days, and then just kind of

was in that energy of that.

And then when she ran The Success Codes the next month or something like that,

I went on—yeah, the virtual workshop. And then I was—I think it was Day 1

or Day 2, but that’s when I found out she does the channeling for the books.

Or channeling for coaching and something. And she—

I had had this idea already, and I was like bringing it up like I was like, man if she does that coaching thing again, like I think I’m gonna raise my hand.

I was like freaking out. And you know

my heart’s racing, and I’m getting super hot, and before I click she calls my name, and I was like, holy—

She’s really in tune to that. She really knows and can feel.

As she’ll say during our calls,

“I’m really feeling your energy today. I would love if you would share what came through for you,” and so on. So yeah, that doesn’t surprise me.

Yeah.

That’s what it took. Hook, anchor.

Yeah. So she—and she asked me—but the question she asked me was not about my book. She asked me,

“What was something I’ve been wanting to bring into the world that I haven’t

worked on or touched or like tried to?”

And it was a book about—it’s a workbook idea to help people select their details for how they want to be celebrated when they’re no longer here. So more of like a celebration of life planner.

Workbook style.

So that was my idea, or that’s what I shared with her that day. And then, 2 days later, when she spun the wheel for the subscription membership, I—I won it.

So that’s how I got into the Mose magic that is all things Kira and JOA.

Very cool.

Yeah, amazing. Really, really amazing. I could not believe. So—yeah.

That is so fun to know all of that about you.

I’ve seen

you in our calls multiple times, and I love what you share.

I didn’t know that this was your actual material. This was your actual content that you’re working towards.

And that really resonates for me. I—

Love the idea of, instead of

planning your funeral in advance to

take that burden off of your family—I love this idea of

deciding in advance how you want your life celebrated. There’s so much more joy there, so much

more love, even.

One thing I have learned about you, Dre, is that

it’s interesting to me to hear you talk about

how much you were in hospitality, and how that kind of was a part of your life growing up too.

Because in our groups—like you embody that in the way that you just show up to the world.

You embody that in what you share to the group,

the joy that you bring. You’re one of the ones who always will hit the icons to celebrate.

You’re very active, involved that way, and even just your communication. You’re so open and loving and present

and complimentary. And that’s just who you are.

So it makes sense to me that

you’re celebrating—like the work that you are involved in right now is you’re celebrating others when

they have transitioned into whatever comes next

after what we understand as physical death here.

That’s really, really beautiful.

Thank you so much for sharing that. I—I receive that. That’s really nice. Thank you. Thank you.

Crazily enough, though. That idea—yeah, we can’t get forever.

I know, right? Go ahead and finish. And then I have one last question I like to ask.

Oh yeah, no problem. But—so this idea of this workbook actually came

at the end of 2018, beginning of 2019.

And then my family—we had went to a funeral like every month

for 4 consecutive months. And because of—we have a huge extended family, we—

well, I mean, it was a lot of—we see the same people. And

at that time it was a lot of dads.

And I just noticed that

there was just so much falling onto the kids. And just—they, like in this pain, they don’t get to just

be in it. They have to—you know, you want to make it the best day, because now you only have this one, you know, time window to

do your best for your people. And I just thought, man, like—

but what if they already wrote it? Like, what if you already just put it in a book? And you could just give it to your people and be like, “Hey, this is what I want.”

You know, because you—you kind, you really already know. And you already know how your people are—

fun, and who’s gonna be wanting to do what? And who’s like

gonna stop taking care of themselves, or like all of these things. And like you already kind of—you already know that. So.

That is so, so smart, so intuitive of you to think of that! I love that.

So—any idea when it will be published?

So  I didn’t do it at the time, because I didn’t think I had the intimate experience. But now, obviously, my sister has given me that. One of my cousins—a couple in between her—

he received the information that he wasn’t going to be here much longer, and so he asked me to

collaborate, and we—we planned his out, too, for him.

So I’ve—I’ve taken my experience and put it into a book. It’s actually live now.

It’s—it’s ready?

Okay, I finished it.

But yeah, it’s out there to help people in the world, just either, you know, whether it be planning for yourself or

starting the conversation. But that, you know, can just—

I’ve put in there some resources that I’ve used myself over those kind of things, and—

Yeah, congratulations. That’s great.

Thank you. Thank you so much.

Well, just one last question I ask all of my guests, and that is: what does “living beyond the shadow of doubt” mean to you?

Hmm.

Living beyond it means that it might be there, but it

doesn’t have to hold you back from

from seeing what’s out there and—and living.

Yeah.

I was probably scared of a lot of shadows way back when, and—and just knowing of the way of life and the way that it goes,

or just what I’ve, you know, learned—there are a lot of shadows I probably would have liked to just spend like—it’s not that big. It’s not that bad. I mean, I can—I can still go. And even if, you know, the shadow is here, there’s so much to—to live

for and—and to—

Life to bring life into you. I think that’s where—you know, I didn’t know what breathwork—I had no idea breathwork existed 5 years ago. I didn’t even know what it meant

4, 3 years ago. But now,

like, it’s the thing that gives me life. I get to give it to people. So there’s—there’s always more.

Yes, there is. That’s beautiful.

We’ll make sure to leave links to all of the things for folks.

Yeah.

So they can—

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So I’m just going to throw out some for-fun questions.

Yes.

Listeners to get to know you a little bit better. I’m looking for one- to two-word answers only, so we’ll just go through them quickly. Tell us your favorite book.

The Courage to Be Disliked.

Yeah.

And are you an introvert or an extrovert?

This is funny. I’m actually an introvert.

Introvert. And I was—I thought I was an extrovert all this time because I was in hospitality, but I was just really into—

You learned. Oh.

Yeah.

Tell us your favorite artist.

My sister, Julia.

Hmm.

Very gifted artist.

Are you a night owl or a morning lark?

I am a night owl to the night. All-nighters.

Okay, and tell us your celebrity crush if you have one.

That’s funny. I—I don’t really have one.

I’m finding a lot don’t. Okay, that’s fine. And do you do still or carbonated water or diet soda or something else?

Oh, depends on the time.

Okay, that’s fair. That is fair. And then finally, the furthest place that you have traveled?

I believe that would be the Cayman Islands.

On a cruise?

Been.

Love it.

Well, if folks wanted to connect with you or had questions for you, what’s the easiest way for them to do that?

Oh, yes. You can find me: dre.thesoultender on Instagram. There’s also thesoultender.vip is my website, where it has all my—

things that I have going on.

And I will be coming up with a podcast soon, too. So we can collaborate and you can find all my stuff on—on the link.

Awesome.

Yeah, we’ll leave that in the show notes. Dre, it has been awesome. I have loved this chat, and getting to know your beautiful bright light inside

a little better.

It’s been so great. Thank you for having me. That was awesome.